Select & middle-mouse Paste Fails Sometimes

Listmates,
Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then attempting
to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window does *not* paste the
text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to kwrite and confirm that the text
was/is selected; deselect and reselect and then paste again in konqueror and
this time it works. What gives?
More importantly what to check? If this had happened only once, I'd just
chock it up to gremlins somewhere and go on. But today it has happened more
times than it has happened in the last 3 years of kde3. Is there some buffer
or something I can monitor/dump that could give a bit more information about
where the problem might be?
This is running on openSuSE's kde43beta1; Version 4.2.88 (KDE 4.2.88 (KDE 4.3
>= 20090527)) "release 127"
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 07:15:59 David C. Rankin wrote:
> Listmates,
>
> Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window does
> *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to kwrite and
> confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and reselect and then pas=
te
> again in konqueror and this time it works. What gives?
>
> More importantly what to check? If this had happened only once, I'd just
> chock it up to gremlins somewhere and go on. But today it has happened mo=
re
> times than it has happened in the last 3 years of kde3. Is there some
> buffer or something I can monitor/dump that could give a bit more
> information about where the problem might be?
>
> This is running on openSuSE's kde43beta1; Version 4.2.88 (KDE 4.2.88 (KDE
> 4.3
>
> >=3D 20090527)) "release 127"
I see the same problem in Mandriva 2009.1, so it's probably not vendor=20
specific. Also, highlighting sometimes doesn't copy to clipboard.
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 June 2009 07:15:59 David C. Rankin wrote:
> > Listmates,
> >
> > Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> > attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window does
> > *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to kwrite and
> > confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and reselect and then
> > paste again in konqueror and this time it works. What gives?
> >
> > More importantly what to check? If this had happened only once, I'd just
> > chock it up to gremlins somewhere and go on. But today it has happened
> > more times than it has happened in the last 3 years of kde3. Is there
> > some buffer or something I can monitor/dump that could give a bit more
> > information about where the problem might be?
> >
> > This is running on openSuSE's kde43beta1; Version 4.2.88 (KDE 4.2.88
> > (KDE 4.3
> >
> > >= 20090527)) "release 127"
>
> I see the same problem in Mandriva 2009.1, so it's probably not vendor
> specific. Also, highlighting sometimes doesn't copy to clipboard.
Curious, I was going to investigate this thoroughly today and post my results.
It never happened with KDE3 but does about 50% of the time with KDE 4.2. I
have klipper running but it makes no difference if "synchronise clipboard and
selection" is enabled or not. I get get the same problem selecting text in
kwrite, konqueror and double-clicking on konsole. I am running a current
Gentoo system with KDE 4.2.4, xorg-x11 7.4 and xserver 1.5.3.
HTH
-Robin
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:15:59AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window
> does *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to
> kwrite and confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and
> reselect and then paste again in konqueror and this time it works.
> What gives?
>
sounds like a klipper issue. in fact, i found klipper so broken that i
just said "f*** it" and disabled it alltogether ...

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On Wednesday 10 June 2009, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:15:59AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> > attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window
> > does *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to
> > kwrite and confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and
> > reselect and then paste again in konqueror and this time it works.
> > What gives?
>
> sounds like a klipper issue. in fact, i found klipper so broken that i
> just said "f*** it" and disabled it alltogether ...
I don't think it's klipper, I just disabled it and got the same problem
selecting and pasting in kwrite.
-Robin
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 13:59:15 Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> sounds like a klipper issue. in fact, i found klipper so broken that i
> just said "f*** it" and disabled it alltogether ...
FYI I'm experimenting with rewriting klipper (maybe turn it into a plasmoid) -
I'm leaving the basic clipboard polling functionality as it is while
restructuring other parts.
Well, this is an experiment, no ETA's for now... :)
Cheers,
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Zitat von Oswald Buddenhagen :
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:15:59AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
>> attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window
>> does *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to
>> kwrite and confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and
>> reselect and then paste again in konqueror and this time it works.
>> What gives?
>>
> sounds like a klipper issue. in fact, i found klipper so broken that i
> just said "f*** it" and disabled it alltogether ...
Check:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121057
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189761
And see if it is your problem.
Mike
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 11:44:14 Michael Jansen wrote:
> Zitat von Oswald Buddenhagen :
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:15:59AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> >> Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> >> attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window
> >> does *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to
> >> kwrite and confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and
> >> reselect and then paste again in konqueror and this time it works.
> >> What gives?
> >
> > sounds like a klipper issue. in fact, i found klipper so broken that i
> > just said "f*** it" and disabled it alltogether ...
>
> Check:
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D121057
>
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D189761
>
> And see if it is your problem.
>
Both of those imply that mouse gestures are implicated, and I do not use mo=
use=20
gestures. For me, the middle-click paste does work, but highlighted text i=
s=20
only *sometimes* copied to the clipboard.
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 22:21:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Check:
> >
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121057
> >
> > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189761
> >
> > And see if it is your problem.
>
> Both of those imply that mouse gestures are implicated, and I do not use
> mouse gestures. For me, the middle-click paste does work, but highlighted
> text is only *sometimes* copied to the clipboard.
Not implicated. Activated. "kcmshell4 khotkeys" -> "Settings" -> "Gestures"?
enabled or not?
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David C. Rankin wrote:
> Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then attempting
> to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window does *not* paste the
> text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to kwrite and confirm that the text
> was/is selected; deselect and reselect and then paste again in konqueror and
> this time it works. What gives?
Does it work when you select with the mouse? Does it /not/ work when you
select with the keyboard? I think this may be what you are seeing; it
seems keyboard selection does not set the clipboard selection.
Although... this seems to generally be how Qt works (but not gtk).
So while I'm not sure this is actually a bug, I'd still say you can go
ahead and file it as one against kate(part) if you want, and haven't
done so already. (Especially as I believe katepart needs to change even
if Qt were to change.)
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On Wednesday 10 June 2009 21:51:08 Michael Jansen wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 June 2009 22:21:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > Check:
> > >
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D121057
> > >
> > > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D189761
> > >
> > > And see if it is your problem.
> >
> > Both of those imply that mouse gestures are implicated, and I do not use
> > mouse gestures. For me, the middle-click paste does work, but
> > highlighted text is only *sometimes* copied to the clipboard.
>
> Not implicated. Activated. "kcmshell4 khotkeys" -> "Settings" ->
> "Gestures"? enabled or not?
>
Ah - 'Back' was showing activated. I disabled it, and either none of the=20
others were or they were all disabled by the one action. Does changing thi=
s=20
require a restart of anything? I hhighlighted the 'kcmshell4 khotkeys' in =
the=20
terminal, and it didn't appear on the clipboard.
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On Thursday 11 June 2009, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Does it work when you select with the mouse? Does it /not/ work when you
> select with the keyboard? I think this may be what you are seeing; it
> seems keyboard selection does not set the clipboard selection.
It doesn't work about half the time with both the mouse and the keyboard, as
stated in previous posts.
> Although... this seems to generally be how Qt works (but not gtk).
Do you mean Qt4, there was no problem with Qt3/KDE3.
> So while I'm not sure this is actually a bug, I'd still say you can go
> ahead and file it as one against kate(part) if you want, and haven't
> done so already. (Especially as I believe katepart needs to change even
> if Qt were to change.)
It's not just kate, the problem occurs selecting text on konsole and konqueror
and, I guess, any other application.
HTH
-Robin
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Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Thursday 11 June 2009, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>> Does it work when you select with the mouse? Does it /not/ work when you
>> select with the keyboard? I think this may be what you are seeing; it
>> seems keyboard selection does not set the clipboard selection.
>
> It doesn't work about half the time with both the mouse and the keyboard, as
> stated in previous posts.
I didn't see where you differentiated between select-with-mouse and
select-with-keyboard.
>> Although... this seems to generally be how Qt works (but not gtk).
>
> Do you mean Qt4, there was no problem with Qt3/KDE3.
Yes. I don't think I /have/ Qt3 on this box ;-). I have tested kjots,
kopete, konqueror, krunner, and (Qt) designer; select-by-keyboard does
not seem to set the selection in any Qt4 application.
>> So while I'm not sure this is actually a bug, I'd still say you can go
>> ahead and file it as one against kate(part) if you want, and haven't
>> done so already. (Especially as I believe katepart needs to change even
>> if Qt were to change.)
>
> It's not just kate, the problem occurs selecting text on konsole and konqueror
> and, I guess, any other application.
Konsole I've noticed to be "finicky", not so much kate (except that
select-by-keyboard doesn't work, but I believe that doesn't work ever,
and is "by design", at least as far as it doesn't work because it is not
coded *to* work). I assume konq is using standard widgets, however,
which implies a possible Qt bug.
Are you /sure/ it isn't that it only works when you select with the
mouse? :-)
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On Thursday 11 June 2009, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Robin Atwood wrote:
> > On Thursday 11 June 2009, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> >> Does it work when you select with the mouse? Does it /not/ work when you
> >> select with the keyboard? I think this may be what you are seeing; it
> >> seems keyboard selection does not set the clipboard selection.
> >
> > It doesn't work about half the time with both the mouse and the keyboard,
> > as stated in previous posts.
>
> I didn't see where you differentiated between select-with-mouse and
> select-with-keyboard.
>
> >> Although... this seems to generally be how Qt works (but not gtk).
> >
> > Do you mean Qt4, there was no problem with Qt3/KDE3.
>
> Yes. I don't think I /have/ Qt3 on this box ;-). I have tested kjots,
> kopete, konqueror, krunner, and (Qt) designer; select-by-keyboard does
> not seem to set the selection in any Qt4 application.
>
> >> So while I'm not sure this is actually a bug, I'd still say you can go
> >> ahead and file it as one against kate(part) if you want, and haven't
> >> done so already. (Especially as I believe katepart needs to change even
> >> if Qt were to change.)
> >
> > It's not just kate, the problem occurs selecting text on konsole and
> > konqueror and, I guess, any other application.
>
> Konsole I've noticed to be "finicky", not so much kate (except that
> select-by-keyboard doesn't work, but I believe that doesn't work ever,
> and is "by design", at least as far as it doesn't work because it is not
> coded *to* work). I assume konq is using standard widgets, however,
> which implies a possible Qt bug.
>
> Are you /sure/ it isn't that it only works when you select with the
> mouse? :-)
No, I got it lots of times when selecting with the cursor in kate. Also, I
often copy the contents of the location bar in konqueror by: RMB/Select All,
RMB Copy. Half the time you must copy twice. Since I guess that widget is an
edit box, I guess it's pretty pervasive. :(
-Robin
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On Thursday 11 June 2009 16:34:14 Robin Atwood wrote:
> Half the time you must copy twice
I've noticed that too. If I check the clipboard and don't find the selecti=
on=20
there, I do it again, and it works. I've seen this quite a number of times=
=2E =20
(I mostly use mouse-select.)
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Am Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 08:50:31 schrieb Anne Wilson:
> > Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> > attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window does
> > *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to kwrite and
> > confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and reselect and then
> > paste again in konqueror and this time it works. What gives?
> I see the same problem in Mandriva 2009.1, so it's probably not vendor
> specific. Also, highlighting sometimes doesn't copy to clipboard.
Maybe related, if one moves the cursor a little bit too far to the left or
right, i.e. a millimetre over the last or first letter in a line, I get empty
lines copied. If one has a look at klipper it shows an empty line as the last
entry and the actual selection as the one before that. Thus pasting with
middle-click pastes that empty line.
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On Sunday 14 June 2009 12:30:43 Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 08:50:31 schrieb Anne Wilson:
> > > Probably 10-20% of the time, selecting text in say 'kwrite', then
> > > attempting to paste the text in say konqueror's google search window
> > > does *not* paste the text that was just selected. Alt+tab back to
> > > kwrite and confirm that the text was/is selected; deselect and resele=
ct
> > > and then paste again in konqueror and this time it works. What gives?
> >
> > I see the same problem in Mandriva 2009.1, so it's probably not vendor
> > specific. Also, highlighting sometimes doesn't copy to clipboard.
>
> Maybe related, if one moves the cursor a little bit too far to the left or
> right, i.e. a millimetre over the last or first letter in a line, I get
> empty lines copied. If one has a look at klipper it shows an empty line as
> the last entry and the actual selection as the one before that. Thus
> pasting with middle-click pastes that empty line.
>
Yes, I've seen that too, but what I'm reporting at this moment is the compl=
ete=20
absence of a copy line on klipper, not one displaces by an empty one, annoy=
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though that is. :-)
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